Harts Farm, now belonging to the Fuller family, is close by. I know it well. When I was a boy Ashton was the tenant, after him I believe Elliott the owner used it for a time, then Ben Combridge, then John Fry, afterwards Robert Fry and for the last 3 or 4 years, Mr. John Brett. I do not recollect what Ashton or Elliott did. I think the Frys and Harts had nearly 50 years between them. They both usually turned out stock on the Forest to my knowledge. I have often seen them. They marked their stock with their own names on the horns and I have often told them where to find them.

I recollect one occasion when the Hennikers lost 8 bullocks out of the Ashdown Park. Jack Tasker the Foreman went all round the Forest in search of them and, coming up to me where I was digging peat near New Lodge, he thought he saw them, but the bullocks he saw were Fry's. I told him so but he would not believe till I pointed out Fry's initials branded on the horns and he was satisfied. That was I should say over 20 years ago.

John Fry occasionally had litter. Robert Fry was rather against it in his early days, thinking that it did not make good manure, but latterly he used it more frequently. I have at times seen it lying in the yard. I knew John and Robert. They had turf for fuel off the Forest. I have seen it after they brought it home and I know none grew on their farm.

I knew the farm in Hartfield occupied by Richard Farmer and belonging to the Ashdown Estate. When I was a boy Fitness was the tenant. He was succeeded by Mitchell, then Farmer's father took it and died there and his son Richard Farmer succeeded him in the tenancy. I know they have all had litter off the Forest regularly. I have seen their teams taking it and I have myself carried it at times for the two farmers. I do not know whether any of them turned out stock. I could not say they had not.

When I first recollect Holly Hill and Hartfield Grove, then called as to part Snow's Hole and as to one part Crabs. They belonged to Colonel Young. He farmed both properties except Suntings and Shawhurst which were let off. Chart the grocer hired Suntings and old Jack Tasker had Shawhurst. Colonel Young sold Snow's Hole and Crabs to Captain Hall (1819), who sold to Captain Greenland, who sold to Captain West, who sold to Reverend Charles Langton, who sold to Colonel Morris, who sold to the late Mr. Melville.

Captain Greenland bought from Abraham Elliott a house and a little land adjoining and laid it on. I don't know its name. Colonel Young sold Holly Hill, Shepherds, Suntings and Shawhurst to Mr. Jackson whose widow Mr. Hale married and they now own the property. I well recollect that Colonel Young used to have litter off the Forest for both the properties. I saw it on both when I worked for him and I often afterwards saw it in his yards and his teams carrying it from the Forest. Colonel Young used to have large quantities of peat off the Forest laid in his sheep yard at Holly Hill to be trodden by the sheep into manure. I believe Colonel Young turned sheep on the Forest with a shepherd. I do not recollect his turning cattle out. Colonel Young had quantities of stone off the Forest for drains and gravel for his coach road, also for his yards on both properties. All the cottagers on his estate used to take peat and scrub off the Forest for fuel.